Question for instructors

What errors do you see most often in the end-of-course-evaluations? And, by error, what percentage of students (per class) make that error?

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10 Comments on “Question for instructors”

  1. Gary Suarez Says:

    By far, too slow in the curve evaluation (90%). Next is the U-turn box line violation (75%). I have had maybe 2-3 garner points in the swerve.

  2. vstromer Says:

    I agree with Gary about too slow in the curve, your percentage may vary, but it is very, very common. I’d add that deceleration in the curve is another common error. Students hear the instructions about 12-17 mph, then they enter the curve too fast, and then decel in the curve. I’d say around 40% decel, maybe higher, I don’t keep stats on this.

    Around 50% are over standard in braking. Except for Rider’s Edge classes, over standard percentage is lower, maybe 25%, because the Blasts have such strong brakes (if you keep it upright).

  3. tedder Says:

    Well, I teach in Oregon, so the course is different. But vstormer is right- too slow in the curve is really common- perhaps as much as 75% of students.

  4. Gary Suarez Says:

    I don’t have exact stats on my classes either, and I may have been a little high on the curve, but vstromer’s point of decel in the curve is also prevalent. Many times though, that contributes to the slowness. I have taught primarily the BRT (TEAM Oregon) program the last couple of years. I have to say that the curve statistics are better, in my classes, in that program than in the BRC. Probably because it’s empahasized SO much more–both in the classroom and on the range (4 exercises). It’s much easier to coach speed in that program as you are much closer to the action.

  5. CaptCrash Says:

    TOMS cirriculum,and I’m always shocked if 4 of 12 can get the curve done at speed.

  6. Mark Weiss Says:

    Pretty much agree with the above. About 90% score points in the cornering judgment exercise. Most are too slow overall, about 1/2 also add deceleration. This seems to be a stable statistic. No matter how much practice of x.13, no matter if x.13 is repeated before the test, no matter how words are juggled prior to the test.

    This was a consistent error in the MRC:RSS as well. The BRC curve is a bit more difficult because of the extended curve. An error that a rider might be able to squeak through the first 90 degrees will generally get caught with the additional 45 degrees.

    About 25% score errors in the bike control exercise. Very, very, very, few make errors in braking or swerving. This is consistent with what I recall of the MRC:RSS.

    Mark Weiss

  7. Dave Jenneke Says:

    Decels in the curve are common, add in a slow speed and you’ve got 10 points right there. I don’t find either of these as common as others have indicated. I also find anticipation in the quick stop in about 3-4 students in each 12 person range. Almost inevitably, the rerun is done at higher speeds and students exceed the standard. The adrenaline is flowing here. The swerve, as tested is a joke. U-turn box is useful but students don’t lose as many points as you might think.

  8. Dave B Says:

    You need to define errors. Do you mean the most common point deductions? I don’t see going through the turn/curve too slow as an “error”. The students are nervous during the Skills Evaluation. I teach about 30 BRC’s per year. I think they ride through the curve at a speed that is within their limits for the environment (stress). Is that really an “error”? Don’t we stress to them to ride within their limits? A lot of times they ride through the curve too slow but their technique is fine (SLLR). And who really rides through that narrow a curve in the real world?

    Error 1 – not squeezing the front brake enough on the Quick Stop. This is a critical skill. One that they really don’t possess yet and never will unless they keep practicing it AFTER taking the course. If it weren’t for Ex. 17, you’d see more students exceeding their stopping standard.

    Error 2 – going over a line in the U-turn box due to looking at the line instead of looking where you want to end up.

    In my book, the errors would be what’s causing them to get points off.

  9. CaptCrash Says:

    I’ll amend my “too slow” in the timed curve to a TRUE error that can cost your life:

    Failure to turn head and look through the turn.

    (Brutalizes them on slow turn, U-turn, timed turn AND looking down hurts on the quick stop as well).

  10. wmoon Says:

    Amen to that, CaptCrash!

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